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		<title>By: mand</title>
		<link>http://whatthehellisthis.net/2009/03/05/they-might-not-be-giants/#comment-250</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[russthelibrarian, i love your attitude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>russthelibrarian, i love your attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: russthelibrarian</title>
		<link>http://whatthehellisthis.net/2009/03/05/they-might-not-be-giants/#comment-249</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 06:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like I say, I&#039;m not be the poster child for autism or Asperger&#039;s, I just portray myself that way.  I&#039;ve always been locked in my own thinking, trapped in my own head.  I first tried alcohol and weed when I was 25, and it made a big difference.  (And yes, BM3, I smoke.  Bad for the lungs, I know, but it&#039;s done wonders for my mental health.  Life is full of trade-offs--at least mine is.)  Helped to break me out of my mindset, develop an appreciation not necessarily for why other people do things, so much as a recognition that other people do things for reasons other than my own.  I don&#039;t understand other people, or even feel I have to:  I simply accept the differences.  This is what I describe as breaking down my autistic wall, the barrier I&#039;d always felt (and still sense, to a degree) that separates me from the fellow members of my species.

I do not recommend this sort of therapy to anyone.  It&#039;s like Hunter S Thompson said, &quot;In my case, you know, I hate to advocate drugs or liquor, violence, insanity to anyone. But in my case it&#039;s worked.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like I say, I&#8217;m not be the poster child for autism or Asperger&#8217;s, I just portray myself that way.  I&#8217;ve always been locked in my own thinking, trapped in my own head.  I first tried alcohol and weed when I was 25, and it made a big difference.  (And yes, BM3, I smoke.  Bad for the lungs, I know, but it&#8217;s done wonders for my mental health.  Life is full of trade-offs&#8211;at least mine is.)  Helped to break me out of my mindset, develop an appreciation not necessarily for why other people do things, so much as a recognition that other people do things for reasons other than my own.  I don&#8217;t understand other people, or even feel I have to:  I simply accept the differences.  This is what I describe as breaking down my autistic wall, the barrier I&#8217;d always felt (and still sense, to a degree) that separates me from the fellow members of my species.</p>
<p>I do not recommend this sort of therapy to anyone.  It&#8217;s like Hunter S Thompson said, &#8220;In my case, you know, I hate to advocate drugs or liquor, violence, insanity to anyone. But in my case it&#8217;s worked.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mand</title>
		<link>http://whatthehellisthis.net/2009/03/05/they-might-not-be-giants/#comment-242</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is what happens when i allow myself to burble on. I forgot the one thing i was going to ask: what thc does for autism? Are we talking just inhibitions or more than that? (Googling, i can only find Alzheimer&#039;s.) My own take on it has been more about rheumatic pain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is what happens when i allow myself to burble on. I forgot the one thing i was going to ask: what thc does for autism? Are we talking just inhibitions or more than that? (Googling, i can only find Alzheimer&#8217;s.) My own take on it has been more about rheumatic pain.</p>
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		<title>By: AlienBaby</title>
		<link>http://whatthehellisthis.net/2009/03/05/they-might-not-be-giants/#comment-239</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think that paper Mand linked to has a bullet point that describes your relationship with your C.R. very well: &quot;often take(s) care of others outside the range of typical development.&quot; I&#039;m not absolutely sure that this is what the author means, but you&#039;ve been looking after your very &quot;atypically developed&quot; friend since college...Lord knows what she would have done without you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that paper Mand linked to has a bullet point that describes your relationship with your C.R. very well: &#8220;often take(s) care of others outside the range of typical development.&#8221; I&#8217;m not absolutely sure that this is what the author means, but you&#8217;ve been looking after your very &#8220;atypically developed&#8221; friend since college&#8230;Lord knows what she would have done without you.</p>
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		<title>By: russthelibrarian</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 21:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I&#039;m self-diagnosed on the autism/Asperger&#039;s thing.  It does explain why I&#039;m so socially awkward (I don&#039;t get other people), and it makes for something of a shorthand in explaining my demeanor to others.  I don&#039;t have full-blown autism like you see in the movies or such, and I don&#039;t mean to co-opt that kind of debilitation, but I do fit the definition of the condition, albeit mildly.  I also have ADHD and OCD, similarly self-diagnosed.  Describes my personality and proclivities pretty well.

Not that I want to be cured, or even medicated any more than I am (booze and pot, mostly).  Tames my runaway mind pretty well, and the side effects are pleasant rather than troublesome.  Sure, the long-term effects can be problematic, but I&#039;m prepared to live with that.  

My strategy is to find someone whose particular mental disarray complements my own.  (My Crazy Roommate *not* fitting that bill very well.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m self-diagnosed on the autism/Asperger&#8217;s thing.  It does explain why I&#8217;m so socially awkward (I don&#8217;t get other people), and it makes for something of a shorthand in explaining my demeanor to others.  I don&#8217;t have full-blown autism like you see in the movies or such, and I don&#8217;t mean to co-opt that kind of debilitation, but I do fit the definition of the condition, albeit mildly.  I also have ADHD and OCD, similarly self-diagnosed.  Describes my personality and proclivities pretty well.</p>
<p>Not that I want to be cured, or even medicated any more than I am (booze and pot, mostly).  Tames my runaway mind pretty well, and the side effects are pleasant rather than troublesome.  Sure, the long-term effects can be problematic, but I&#8217;m prepared to live with that.  </p>
<p>My strategy is to find someone whose particular mental disarray complements my own.  (My Crazy Roommate *not* fitting that bill very well.)</p>
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		<title>By: mand</title>
		<link>http://whatthehellisthis.net/2009/03/05/they-might-not-be-giants/#comment-236</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The autistic spectrum is a sliding scale - hence the word &lt;i&gt;spectrum&lt;/i&gt; - so &#039;mild&#039; is perfectly possible.

A friend of mine says (and i agree) that it&#039;s more than a spectrum, which implies two dimensions, but rather a 3D landscape - a person may have only one or two features, and those may be features that are right at the &#039;mild&#039; end of the spectrum, but if the person is severely affected by them that has big implications for their life and family. (I&#039;m thinking of rigid thinking, compulsions, phobia, etc.) And that person wouldn&#039;t meet the criteria for diagnosis. The labels - whether you tick the boxes for the title &#039;Aspergers&#039; or anything else - are less useful than recognising the individual&#039;s pattern of needs and of relating to the world.

I&#039;m trying to say, and again this friend puts it better than i do, that self-diagnosis is perfectly valid. Anyone can learn about the condition(s) and come to a logical conclusion. It&#039;s just that you have to be a professional to be taken seriously by other professionals.

Another way she says it is the &#039;Ah, yes&#039; test. If you read about a condition and feel sympathy or horror, &#039;That would be awful to live with,&#039; then you haven&#039;t got it. If you read about something and think, &#039;Yes, that&#039;s what i&#039;ve been trying to describe!&#039; then you (or your child or whoever you&#039;re wondering about) have/has.

The more i&#039;ve learnt about Asperger&#039;s and the whole spectrum, the more i&#039;ve been able to look at people i know - esp some i knew when i was mixing with very bright chemists and logicians, and other geeks  ;0)  - and recognise traits, or even diagnose (to my own satisfaction though i wouldn&#039;t impose that thought on them or anyone else). It&#039;s not a yes/no question. Consequently one person may be perfectly comfortable and able to function with their autistic tendencies, and another may need a lot of support. My preferred attitude is the huge benefits of looking at life the autistic way. Simplistically, logic and attention to detail, memory, and sometimes enormously creative offbeat thinking - but it&#039;s less simple than that.

Hey! Seeking to illustrate that, i just found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/pdfs/attwood10.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.  80)

The most important thing in my view is that Aspergers and related conditions do not need to be cured. Some of the traits are difficult to live with and people need to learn how to live with them. But at root, cure isn&#039;t the point.

I seem to have answered questions no one asked, sorry; i&#039;ve saved this two days to ensure i wouldn&#039;t just waffle, and i&#039;ve waffled anyway. Bear in mind this is all at a tangent and i do know that, but perhaps interesting nonetheless.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The autistic spectrum is a sliding scale &#8211; hence the word <i>spectrum</i> &#8211; so &#8216;mild&#8217; is perfectly possible.</p>
<p>A friend of mine says (and i agree) that it&#8217;s more than a spectrum, which implies two dimensions, but rather a 3D landscape &#8211; a person may have only one or two features, and those may be features that are right at the &#8216;mild&#8217; end of the spectrum, but if the person is severely affected by them that has big implications for their life and family. (I&#8217;m thinking of rigid thinking, compulsions, phobia, etc.) And that person wouldn&#8217;t meet the criteria for diagnosis. The labels &#8211; whether you tick the boxes for the title &#8216;Aspergers&#8217; or anything else &#8211; are less useful than recognising the individual&#8217;s pattern of needs and of relating to the world.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying to say, and again this friend puts it better than i do, that self-diagnosis is perfectly valid. Anyone can learn about the condition(s) and come to a logical conclusion. It&#8217;s just that you have to be a professional to be taken seriously by other professionals.</p>
<p>Another way she says it is the &#8216;Ah, yes&#8217; test. If you read about a condition and feel sympathy or horror, &#8216;That would be awful to live with,&#8217; then you haven&#8217;t got it. If you read about something and think, &#8216;Yes, that&#8217;s what i&#8217;ve been trying to describe!&#8217; then you (or your child or whoever you&#8217;re wondering about) have/has.</p>
<p>The more i&#8217;ve learnt about Asperger&#8217;s and the whole spectrum, the more i&#8217;ve been able to look at people i know &#8211; esp some i knew when i was mixing with very bright chemists and logicians, and other geeks  ;0)  &#8211; and recognise traits, or even diagnose (to my own satisfaction though i wouldn&#8217;t impose that thought on them or anyone else). It&#8217;s not a yes/no question. Consequently one person may be perfectly comfortable and able to function with their autistic tendencies, and another may need a lot of support. My preferred attitude is the huge benefits of looking at life the autistic way. Simplistically, logic and attention to detail, memory, and sometimes enormously creative offbeat thinking &#8211; but it&#8217;s less simple than that.</p>
<p>Hey! Seeking to illustrate that, i just found <a href="http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/pdfs/attwood10.pdf" rel="nofollow">this</a>.  80)</p>
<p>The most important thing in my view is that Aspergers and related conditions do not need to be cured. Some of the traits are difficult to live with and people need to learn how to live with them. But at root, cure isn&#8217;t the point.</p>
<p>I seem to have answered questions no one asked, sorry; i&#8217;ve saved this two days to ensure i wouldn&#8217;t just waffle, and i&#8217;ve waffled anyway. Bear in mind this is all at a tangent and i do know that, but perhaps interesting nonetheless.</p>
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		<title>By: bluemorpho3</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was just borrowing a phrase from Russ with the autism. 
Btw, Russ, to avoid another potential misunderstanding, my asking if you smoke/eat/drink THC was meant literally, if you consume it in the form of e.g. cookies or dissolved in milk.
Sometimes I&#039;m just writing nonsense, please excuse, I could state this is some kind of automatic writing - it is just easier with my mind turned off, I&#039;m too lazy I know ;-)
I somehow liked the idea of THC breaking down autistic walls, but I&#039;m not at all sure what exactly autistic walls are...
I have same vague feelings about it only...
I may have suffered (or still do) from a mild form of Aspergers, which might be helpful for my job as a programmer (&lt;- did you guess that?) but that&#039;s only self diagnosed. If THC could help against this? Maybe by stopping your clear thinking ;-)
Russ, if you are affected by any form of autism, please excuse, I definitely don&#039;t want to make fun of that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just borrowing a phrase from Russ with the autism.<br />
Btw, Russ, to avoid another potential misunderstanding, my asking if you smoke/eat/drink THC was meant literally, if you consume it in the form of e.g. cookies or dissolved in milk.<br />
Sometimes I&#8217;m just writing nonsense, please excuse, I could state this is some kind of automatic writing &#8211; it is just easier with my mind turned off, I&#8217;m too lazy I know <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I somehow liked the idea of THC breaking down autistic walls, but I&#8217;m not at all sure what exactly autistic walls are&#8230;<br />
I have same vague feelings about it only&#8230;<br />
I may have suffered (or still do) from a mild form of Aspergers, which might be helpful for my job as a programmer (&lt;- did you guess that?) but that&#8217;s only self diagnosed. If THC could help against this? Maybe by stopping your clear thinking <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Russ, if you are affected by any form of autism, please excuse, I definitely don&#8217;t want to make fun of that.</p>
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		<title>By: mand</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erm...
Wait while i expand a little further...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erm&#8230;<br />
Wait while i expand a little further&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: AlienBaby</title>
		<link>http://whatthehellisthis.net/2009/03/05/they-might-not-be-giants/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AlienBaby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Haha...like it. How do you suggest the rest of us do it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha&#8230;like it. How do you suggest the rest of us do it?</p>
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		<title>By: mand</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mand]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My okc profile begins something like: &#039;I have never needed drugs cos my mind came pre-expanded...&#039; Bit pretentious - but truly, years ago considering an album cover that had lots of LSD-ish bits written here n there, someone said it proved they were using mind-expanding drugs as no one could write that kind of thing without, and i replied that i wrote that kind of thing all the time. (I was into surrealistic automatic writing for a phase.) When he saw some of the stuff i&#039;d written he didn&#039;t know whether to be shocked at the &#039;expandedness&#039; or disbelieving of my claim not to have used drugs.   ;0)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My okc profile begins something like: &#8216;I have never needed drugs cos my mind came pre-expanded&#8230;&#8217; Bit pretentious &#8211; but truly, years ago considering an album cover that had lots of LSD-ish bits written here n there, someone said it proved they were using mind-expanding drugs as no one could write that kind of thing without, and i replied that i wrote that kind of thing all the time. (I was into surrealistic automatic writing for a phase.) When he saw some of the stuff i&#8217;d written he didn&#8217;t know whether to be shocked at the &#8216;expandedness&#8217; or disbelieving of my claim not to have used drugs.   ;0)</p>
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